is a wide array of laws that you can violate. marta, robbery, most of those are state. you have a few federal laws, criminal in nature. and i don't know if he's comparing apples and oranges, if he means -- i'd like to know the violations of state and local, if they have comparable laws in china and russia. i don't know that we fully agree with his analysis that we have the most in jail. i've got to have a lot more factiable detail -- factual detail before i would agree with that. host: next is susan, joining from us sacramento. good morning, welcome to the "washington journal". caller: a few comments. one on the taxes. as far as the refundable taxes or the taxes that people get when they are lower income, the earned income tax credit, only people who are working get that earned income tax credits, and it is plowed right back into the economy because they don't have dividends and different investments that they just want to put in. and so it really encourages working. and also, when people who are middle class have the refunds for